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Laura Lynn Teddies by Laura Lynn
Lexington, KY
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This seller was selling a pattern of mine a couple of years ago that was published in Teddy Bear Club International.  I contacted the seller and he removed my pattern listing.  Good to post about it  here so the designers can learn about it and contact him as well.

woolybear Langen Hessen
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karenaus wrote:

Can you believe they're SELLING Sue Ann's FREE Goldie pattern that's available on Teddy Talk? It's outrageous.. And also a pattern in their feedback I recognise as a project from Bear Creations magazine...
     Good to see a couple of recent negatives on their feedback too... I've emailed a couple of artists I know personally whose patterns are listed.
    Now i think of it-I guess that if they have the pattern available on here, they come here....

He sell the pattern Goldie again!!!! Look:
http://cgi.ebay.de/Teddy-Schnittmuster- … 336aeb4ced

I think I know where he have the pattern Honey Punch from the magazin, his wife have a shop on ebay Germany too and sell the magazin, look:
http://cgi.ebay.de/Teddy-Heft-Sudafrika … 35b18ee8c9
and here is the pattern:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie … 0818429247

woolybear Langen Hessen
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He sell everytime the same pattern from a book, I know that because I have this book, it is from Jennifer Laing "Constructing Teddy and his Friends"
Pack Rat and Ehtel the Emu,  maybe anybody know Jennifer Laing and can tell her that? look here:
http://cgi.ebay.de/Teddy-Schnittmuster- … 336aeb449a
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie … 0808296094
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie … 0810231245
http://cgi.ebay.de/Teddy-Schnittmuster- … 336adf3db3
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie … 0806626015

woolybear Langen Hessen
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Here are the new pattern listing on ebay Germany from the seller wwausu:
http://shop.ebay.de/wwausu/m.html?_trkp … p=10&_sc=1

THIS IS CRIMINAL !!!!! Unbelievable !!

rkr4cds Creative Design Studio (RKR4CDS)
suburban Chicago
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I'd like to clarify the words I posted a few weeks ago as to the methods under which this eBayer may be operating:

The actual physical pattern itself is another matter. (Doctrine of First Sale)
- and -
If you have bought ORIGINAL (non-copied/printed) patterns you're more than likely OK, though sometimes it's hard to tell an original from a re-print...
I'd say that this is the Doctrine of First Sale (or second or third.)
You're purchasing a pattern from someone who is more than likely gleaning out their stash. 
It is on their conscience to have NOT retained a copy of it before selling this original.

As I don't read German, I don't know if he's offering to send the actual 'original, printed pages of the pattern which he purchased' exactly as it came to him in its entirety from each of those pattern designers (or their distributors) or from others who owned the patterns legally, whether he's made copies of those originals or whether he's going to post or send the patterns electronically over the internet as a PDF.
Those are now three different things: one is legal (morally, legally and ethically) and the others are not.

Going back to the Doctrine of First Sale - as long as he doesn't save a copy of any of these patterns in any way for himself - the drawings, the text, a copy of the image on the front cover - Anything! - then he can dispose (sell/destroy/give away) of them in any way that he'd like.

But if an individual 'retains ownership' of the original pattern, or keeps ANY of the information in any known format and shares the pattern with a friend with the intention of retaining ownership of the pattern (I know, who of us hasn't done that??) - OR - keeps the original and makes copies (or even small parts of the pattern) and shares with friends/a class/a club  or sells copies of that pattern online (which he has reproduced) or posts the pattern in places like eBay® or Google's® Picassa® Albums (which others then read online for free, or pay for to receive a print copy of [PDF] or receive access to online) for all of the world to purchase or view for free, then that enters a criminal phase.

Both eBay® and Google® post similar legal disclaimers when you apply for membership about not doing this very behavior because of the legal ramifications (for THEM!), yet neither one polices what's posted (well it would be a daunting, impossible task) and expect members to obey the rules. I'd say that the umpteen pages of rules aren't read by anyone but merely checked off in that 'Agree To' box...

It's possible to get your own pattern removed from each individual site when you find a copy posted somewhere but you first must become a VeRO® member and then fill out a paperwork form for every page of the pattern.
And vigilance - keep surfing through the hundreds (thousands) of Picassa® Album sites to keep an eye out for any patterns of your own.... or those a friend...  They're counting on us not having that kind of time—and then slipping through the cracks ("It's ONLY one [free]pattern/sale...") I've told others that their patterns are listed there, but they haven't been removed in some cases so I can only surmise that it wasn't worth their time to go through the removal hassle and they're counting on the site not being seen by the people who would normally purchase their patts anyway.

You can find English-language patterns for almost everything there, posted by individuals in Asian and Eastern European bloc nations. Picassa was originally set up as a free site for those w/o web sites to post images of their own work or pics of the grandies for far-off G-parents to enjoy or to share 'How We Spent Our Summer Hols' with far-flung family & friends—like a more mature version of FB.. but there are always some who will spoil it for everyone else.

woolybear Langen Hessen
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Hello everybody,
new name, new luck, he do it again, look here:
http://www.ebay.de/sch/susisorglos12320 … ksid=p3984

karenaus Melbourne
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woolybear wrote:

Hello everybody,
new name, new luck, he do it again, look here:
http://www.ebay.de/sch/susisorglos12320 … ksid=p3984

Hi Wooly! Thanks to your heads up last time, I put my name into a saved search on eBay.de, and got a warning the night before last that one of my patterns was up again. This time they are blatantly admitting the patterns are copies in the title! And they have 27 negative feedback many of which complain they were sent poor copies. Again, I know this is a copy as I never sold it as a printed paper pattern.
    I emailed them thru eBay and told them to remove it and reported it to eBay before I went to sleep and it was gone by the morning yesterday. Also told a few others I know whose copies are listed, some haven't bothered to reply so perhaps they don't care? Its certainly not difficult to get them to pull the listing.
    Thanks for bringing it to our attention again Wooly!

woolybear Langen Hessen
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Hi Karen,
I have a big respect of artist like you, to create so lovely pattern bear_thumb
So I get angry when I see such person to sell pattern as a copie and think he can make money with them.
Now he get "delusions of grandeur" he sell actual pattern from Monica Spicer as a PDF !!!!
I have write her and hope she can stop him, maybe anybody can tell her that and can call her?
Look here:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Teddy-Schnittmus … 336eacac47

http://www.ebay.de/sch/susisorglos12320 … ksid=p3984

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