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TamiL Dolls N Dreams
Aurora, Colorado
Posts: 6,454

Well little Cooper got groomed yesterday, his mats were worse than we thought, Tiffs groomer said it would be easier on him to just shave him and let him start over........ I could not believe all the matted hair, I know he feels really good, but kinda sad because his hair is gone  bear_cry  She said Schnauzers grow pretty fast, and I know he will be a [INVALID] boy in no time. He slept in my arms last night, Tiff slept close to Daddy, course she always does that because she is a daddys girl....Cooper likes Tiff more than she likes him......he will sit next to her and Tiff will move............I know it will take time for the family to become normal again and Cooper to know this is his 4 ever home.............He is happy for most of the time and then the other he seems to just pace the floor and go from door to door almost like he is trying to escape...............He has not had a number 1 accident but did have a #2 on the tile floor, I told him NO and took him out to the back yard and said potty here..............gezzzz it has been 8 yrs since I tried to potty train and that was with a puppy.....anyone has some advice with an adult rescue dog that still seems to be lost and unsure of his surroundings ....... bear_cry

Us Bears Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,479

Consistency.

Whether it is a puppy or an adult dog, consistency is key.  A dog needs to be reinforced the same way every time.  He needs to know where his next meal is coming from.  He needs to know that he'll have safe shelter.  He needs to know that he'll have these things at any given time.

When the dog does a good thing, he needs to be praised consistently.  When a dog does a bad thing he needs to be scolded consistently and, ideally, shown how to do it right.

(P.S. - "Scolding" does not necessarily mean "punishing."  It could mean simply saying, "No!" in a gruff voice.  It might mean spanking a dog on the bum.  I can't recommend any particular treatment for any dog.  You have to consider the dog's size and temperament.  You might "scold" a St. Bernard differently than you would scold a Chihuahua.  Bottom line:  Know your dog and act accordingly.)

Regardless, praise or scold/punish in the same way for the same thing every time.

My mom got a dog and she started reading all these "dog psychology" books.  She kept trying to train him ("Luke") and nothing seemed to work.  When my brother comes to visit, he can walk in the door and the dog comes to greet him.  My brother snaps his fingers, says, "Luke!  Sit!" and the dog's butt instantly hits the floor.  To this day, Mom can't understand why the dog minds my brother but won't mind her.

The answer is consistency.
When my brother says, "Sit!" the dog knows what is expected.  He knows that he'll get a treat and he knows that he'll get petted and praised and he'll get to play a little bit of "rough house" when he does what he's asked.

Through consistency, you build up a relationship with your dog.  He knows what to expect from you and you know what to expect from him.  After a while, it becomes like second nature.  You don't even have to  make a fuss.  A simple, "Good-boy!" is enough.  Or, if the dog pees on the floor, "Bad dog!" would be enough for him to know that he's done wrong.

As soon as you catch that dog peeing on the floor, pick him up and put him outside, immediately.
One thing about a dog is that they have about a 30 second memory for things.  If you wait too long, it won't matter whether you put him outside or not.  He won't associate the mess he made with the punishment (or praise) he gets.

Consistency and immediacy above all else.  :)

BTW:  Dont' worry about the hair cut.  There's an old joke:

Q - What's the difference between a good haircut and a bad haircut?

A - About two weeks!  bear_laugh   bear_tongue

amber Honey Valley Bears
Toronto
Posts: 210

I've always started with a puppy as well, but we had a 5 week old puppy that was abused the last time we dealt with this.  She was a challange, we couldn't tell her no or she was bad, it just made it worse and she would go again out of fear.  Try to take him out at the same times each day and really praise him when he goes outside, make it a big deal and happy moment.    Make it so he wants to go outside to go because he wants all the cuddles and praise afterwards.  Instead of making his going inside a bad thing make him going outside so great that he doesn't even consider anything else an option.  This plan didn't work well for us as we had a puppy that was so messed up in the beginning that she didn't want the human contact praise or no praise.  But friends have had a lot of luck with this.

Us Bears Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,479

I can agree with that.  Every dog has a different temperament.  You just have to figure out what it is.

I find it a bit odd that a Schnauzer will go to the bathroom inside his own house.  From my experience a Schnoz will "hold it" until he's almost ready to burst rather than go indoors.

Either he was not properly trained in the first place or else he doesn't recognize your house as HIS home yet.

In either case, time and patience is the answer.

shiniker Little Leaf Bears by Shanna
Loveland
Posts: 248

Just wanted to add that my mom's dog is VERY well trained in the house (he's a Schnauzer also).  He NEVER has a potty accident in our home, however, when he is really nervous, as he gets when we have to take him to someone else's house (or to the veterinarian), he always has to poop and if we don't get to it in time then we have a little present to pick up.

Second piece of advice.  I've been told that you have to catch the dog in the act in order for a correction to be effective.  If you come home and there is a poop pile on the floor, I've been told many times, it only does harm to scold the dog at that point in time as they will not associate it with the act of going to the bathroom in the house.  I certainly noticed this to be the case with my dog.  While I had a really hard time not saying anything to her when I didn't see her have the accident, I noticed that when I was extra vigilant and caught her "in the act", she learned fairly quickly. 

Edited To Add:  Just realized that US Bear said the very thing.  Sorry I didn't read the posts more carefully!

Good luck!  I think it's fairly common to deal with a few potty issues even with a dog who was house trained, when something so dramatic has happened in their lives!

Shanna

desertmountainbear desertmountainbear
Bloomsburg, PA
Posts: 5,399

My last two dogs adopted were unhousebroken adult male dogs.   With patience they learned quickly.  I did just like you are doing.  No, and them took them out to show them where. 

Was he a stray?  Perhaps he was an escapee from his last owner?  Both of these last two dogs loved living here so much they would never dream of running.  I hope Cooper gets to that point for you.

Joanne

Us Bears Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,479
shiniker wrote:

Edited To Add:  Just realized that US Bear said the very thing.  Sorry I didn't read the posts more carefully!

No worry.  We just reinforce each other's comments.   bear_thumb

Michelle Helen Chaska, Minnesota
Posts: 2,897

The dog whiperer (Cesar Milan) has a book out on behavior training for dogs. His shows are wonderful. He can work miracles with any dog issue out there. Here is his book:


http://www.amazon.com/Cesars-Way-Everyd … 939&sr=1-2

http://www.amazon.com/How-Raise-Perfect … 939&sr=1-1

DENBY30 DENBY BEARS
EDISON, NEW JERSEY
Posts: 1,586

bear_wub Have faith, Tami, Cooper will come around.  This is a new place for him and he is bound to have a few accidents before he is trained.  H has had a lot of trama in his life by being in a shelter.  He might be looking for his owner when he goes from door to door, but that will stop in time.  It will take time and patience, but you can do it and I am sure Tiffany can help.  LOL
Hugs pat bear_flower I want to see a bald picture.

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