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Creative Design Studio (RKR4CDS)This hits me in two areas: the copy of another's work and the Art-Foam-for-Needle-Felting base.
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Pandas are pandas are pandas, yes. This isn't the first but I see the basis of my NFing standing Panda pattern and photo angle is replicated a lot.
And moving on (or back) into the foam base for needle felting - perhaps this should be advertised as foam sculpting and they should specialize in different animal forms.
See? I knew it was going to blossom. That's what I was so upset about!
Flying Fur StudiosWow,
I guess at least he admits it's foam underneath.
Creative Design Studio (RKR4CDS)I only noticed it after accessing the (Waldorf-style, tho not worded that way) poodle that's supposed to be 3" x 2" and looks at least twice that big. As the wording was something to the effect of, 'not felted over a carved foam base' I looked at this other auction, to see that it was.
It sure could use a few more hours on surface treatment. It must've taken all of an afternoon to churn out (Naughty Bobbie, stop that!)
Charlotte Des Roches DesignsIt sure could use a few more hours on surface treatment. It must've taken all of an afternoon to churn out (Naughty Bobbie, stop that!)
That long???? :crackup: (Naughty Charlotte too!!!)
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Posts: 3,540....ummmm.....well, its not exactly something I'd want to display in my house... 
I think the biggest problem that I have is saying that there is a foam base, and yet he's claiming its needle felted....and then explains needle felting is jabbing it with needles to form the felted material.
I have never needle felted before in my life, so please don't take my word for it ~ but isn't the whole point to needle felting is that there is nothing but the core wool or fibre underneath??? Is it still needlefelting if there's a carved foam base? Or is that the same as needle felting say a nose into a mohair face?? Is the nose itself needlefelted and then needlefelted onto the underlying mohair?? Or ?????
If I was a needle felter, and there is a big difference with the symantics, then yes, I'd want to be pointing this out. You do have to educate collectors to some degree no matter what you're selling if you're aiming for quality. Many people need to understand why something costs more if its a higher quality.
Creative Design Studio (RKR4CDS)Ohhhh, Charlotte!!! You'll get into trouble following me! Didn't Mom ever tell you about guilty-by-association and "The company you keep...." ?
Debby, yes, I guess I'm a purist but think that a NFed pc should be pure fiber through & through. But, as in sculpture (polymer & regular clay) or parade float-building, sometimes it's more efficatious to sometimes build over a frameworK or underneath structure to bulk out the initial shape. But I feel that using the shape design by someone else cannot be called the Needle Felted work of an artist - especially in this case where the lines of the original are followed so closely.
In sculpture and folats, the bare bones are there for support and to minimuze the weight/cost of materials. But creating a statue is all surface application, where the Art in artist is individualized and shines forth.
Ppl apply a pre-worked piece (I call them Patches) to build up their work and some apply the fiber right to the piece and needle it in. Pre-forming makes the amount applied and where it stays much more assured with less work. Noses and muzzles are still called needle felted, the mohair base being like the substructures described above. It's actually much easier to get MUCH more detail into an expression than if you had tpo preplan every curve while designing your pattern template. Not very many could create in fabric, on the first shot, what Judi and Wendy bring to their work by sculpting in wool afterwards.
Thx for asking!
Strange Bearshhmmmm I was wondering about the artists part as well...........if they designed and cut the foam block well then it is their art........if they only bought it and neddle felted over it.......well that isn't original at all. So lets look at this is. If one of these "artists" wanted to joint TT and they designed and cut there own block of foam would we acknowledge them as an a bear artist or not......it is all original work. BUt if someone bought a kit and made it up would that not equal someone who only buys patterns and makes them up as bears.
This is a difficult one and if they continue to achnowledge the foan underneath and we work hard to educate the public on the different levels of skill and difficulty involved.
I think we have to start work right now to make the public aware of the talent and skill involved in doing "full" needlefelting and "foam cut base" needle felting.
Creative Design Studio (RKR4CDS)My mind immediately thought about the Bear lkit we saw recently. I have a very suspicious nature.
Another plain-speaking artist privately sent me this link, hope it was OK to share it:
http://www.officeplayground.com/zooanimals.html
You can Believe that I'll be looking out for shapes like these; they're perfect for fitting into the miniature category! Please LMK if anyone else sees items that look like a quick, thin layer of wool needled on...
"full" needlefelting and "foam cut base" needle felting.
Excellent phrases Sandra, I'll adopt something similar in the auctions I have coming up soon.
There will probably come a day when their work is even self-described as "very-firmly needled over a foam base", an ultimate oxymoron.
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Charlotte Des Roches DesignsOhhhh, Charlotte!!! You'll get into trouble following me! Didn't Mom ever tell you about guilty-by-association and "The company you keep...."
Hmmm my Mom always told me my middle name was "trouble"!!!
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Lets see here- I was working on a bear, picture will be up soon, and I was chatting to my mom on the telephone, ( now she is 91 so I listen and every now and then say, yes mom, no mom) and at the same time I was trimming the muzzle. ermm I went and snipped a big patch off, so had no alternative than to shave the muzzzle clean, so needed a new idea to "fix" the face. The muzzle now shaved looked skiiny, and pathetic, so it needed a re vamp. I then decided to needlefelt over the muzzle.
I am satisfied with the outcome- now here I am needlefelting onto a mohair covering, which has been firmly stuffed( the core?) so what is this form-
I say it is a mohair bear, with needle felted features to the muzzle ?
what happens thou if you take a bear, take the head, partially use mohair, cast a mold for the muzzle, and then if it is possible take wool and felt the shape of that mold to create a needle felted muzzle ? you are still working using a "core" which is not consisting of "wool" to get a finished product which is still needle felted.
Are we saying that "true" needle felting must have a "Core" which is made up of wool/patches.
so should items then be described as
1. needle felted item using felt throu out the product,
2. needle felted item using a plastic, resin, bla bla as the core.
and dont all attack me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am only asking questions and LEARNING!!!!!
Lynette
Strange BearsLynette.....for the purist needlefelting is taking raw wool and shaping and moulding it with the skill needed to create a shape etc. The knowing what needle to use and how they create the shape and features. This is what I was salying ealier that if the "artist" has shaped the core foam and needle felted it isn't there creaive skill to be recognised but is their skill as a needlefelter as high as someone who can do it from scratch. Could this person work from scratch if requried and are they doing it this way with the inner fioam to save costs and time.......we just don't know.
You do have the skill to create your bear, unless you are working from somone elses pattern.
I suppose what it comes down to is......how much skill does this person have? CAn they create without taking form another person their ideas etc.....
For myself I am happy for new ideas and methods to be introduced if they are truly creative and well executed.
Are their products worth as much as someone who has needlefelted a whole creation, I don't think so and if pricing stays in recognition of this, I'm happy.
Again it comes back to collector education .......as long as a collector know what they are buying and pays accordingly.
A mohair bear with needlefelted features is a clear description of what it is,
A fully needle felted bear...
A cut foam block with needlefelted featues and covering ........
A moulded .?????..core with needle felted covering and features .....
I think honesty is the basis here........I personally would be really annoyed to buy a "needlefelted bear" only to find a commercial cut foam block as the core ......this should be my choice to buy. Especially if these blocks become commercially available..
